Ramirez & Ramirez Abogados_a class action law firm?????

Ramirez & Ramirez Abogados operates in Costa del Sol, claiming to be a kind of Class Action Law Firm.

Ramirez & Ramirez Abogados uses the cold call approach to contact victims of bogus holiday clubs, timeshare resale firms, cash back schemes, etc. always asking for upfront payments, offering to take to court in Spain to the previous mentioned companies.

Sometimes, they even tell victims of holiday clubs, resale companies, cash back schemes, etc. that the Spanish Government have closed down a bogus firm, freezing its bank accounts and that there is money to give back to this companies´ victims. However, if any bogus firm was closed down, I can tell you that the Spanish authorities would never have given to Key Properties Town Advisory such lists in first place!

We would strongly advice you not to accept any offer of legal services like this.

Fabian Marcelo Ramirez is “officially” the company director of this firm and of other companies known for its bogus modus operandi: Fuengirola Servicios 2002 SL.

We are aware that victims of the following bogus schemes have been cold called by this company: Designer Way Vacation Club (Timelinx), Freedom Vacation Network (Timelinx), Club Class Holidays (Club Class Corporation), ETOO (another Club Class outfit), Reclaim (cash back used by Timelinx), We Sell Your Timeshare (Timeshare resale firm part of Timelinx), etc. So, obviously, the people behind Key Properties Town Advisory have close links to the people running the previous scams. It seems that this firm has had some legal disputes in Spain in the past (2005) with Timelinx, as the latter, accused the first, of having access unlawfully of its clients’ database.

In February 2006, Spain’s National Police closed down five companies for “IVA+tax”, “Notary fee” and “money back” scams. Among them, I highlight: Maritimo Marketing SL, Fuengirola Servicios 2002 SL (Fuengirola Services 2002 / Fuengirola 2000 SL) and Key Properties Town Advisory S.L. Over 30 people were taken under police custody and 20 computers and large numbers of forged documents were confiscated.

Ramirez & Ramirez Abogados SL has links with Key Properties Town Advisory SLhttp://www.keypropertyadvisory.com – (listed at the Spanish Companies House as a limited company, No. B92325679).

In conclusion, I would advice against making any kind of payment to Ramirez & Ramirez Abogados SL. Besides, advance payments are forbidden according with the new European Directive.

The Spanish Authorities has shown its interest on Ramirez & Ramirez Abogados. I wonder if you could send me your experience with this company. I would need a detailed written summary (including dates, offer explained in detail, payments made if this is the case, how did they reach you?, etc), and a copy of all the documents related to the case – i.e. contract in which is stated the services offered, and all other documents available, including: Faxes, e-mails exchanged, proof of payment (i.e. credit card slip, bank statement), etc.

Please, send it to this email address: customercare@mindtimeshare.com


About mindtimeshare

Mindtimeshare SLU is registered Company reg number: B35957182 Mindtimeshare provides assistance to timeshare owners who have been defrauded by holiday clubs and bogus resale companies. The Mindtimeshare project was launched in February 2011. After dealing with timeshare members over several years who had been defrauded by numerous bogus companies and for large amounts of money, I considered launching an Organisation to help timeshare owners that have been targeted by bogus companies. On this blog you can find information about the different active scam companies and their “modus operandi” and also place comments, ask questions and see comments from other consumers who have the same doubts or have been through the same experience. Mindtimeshare has resulted in a huge success and has received the back up from not only timeshare consumers but also from the professionals in the timeshare Industry. Mindtimeshare helps timeshare owners who have been scammed by bogus Discount Holiday Clubs; bogus cash back companies; fraudulent timeshare resale companies; bogus class action companies and false lawyers and notaries. We offer professional answers and advice to Timeshare users. If you want to send an email instead of posting a comment on the blog please do so by emailing: customercare@mindtimeshare.com
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28 Responses to Ramirez & Ramirez Abogados_a class action law firm?????

  1. jenny and sam says:

    We have also had exactly the same experiences with R and R and they disappeared off the radar just as we were expecting to receive our money. Since then we have regular calls from various different people wanting us to give us money back AFTER we have sent some to them!!! We haven’t parted with any more – and a couple of the callers were really angry when they finely got the message that no money was leaving our account. We have now been contacted by another co. Who again are very convincing – perhaps especially when you really would like it to be true. This co. Is called Legal Prosecutors. A Manchester phone no , London address and registered with ica
    Malaga. Has anyone else heard of them. They also want money up front £239.00 to ‘re -register. Please let us know if anyone else has heard from them. Jenny and sam

    • Peter says:

      We have also been contacted by a Lisa Burton from Legal Prosecutors saying they will recover our monies paid to club class holiday if we pay £239 upfront so far we have done nothing but we get a call from this Lisa everyday.

  2. Thomas says:

    I have been in communication with Ramirez & Ramirez. About 4-5+ Years ago they called me under key town properties and asked me to pay £750.00 gbp to claim my purchase of a club class holiday. They informed me they would keep me up to date but never and I had to chase them constantly. They are now Ramirez & Ramirez. They recently asked me to send original documentation and I questioned this and they said the courts in Spain would need originals. I sent them – WHAT A FOOL –
    They called me yesterday saying that I had won the case and they needed 290 gbp to use a procurator to release the funds for me and I would get back ALL the costs.
    I have since contacted a few companies, solicitors, trading standards, spanish embassy and the european consumer corporation and they linked me to the different links to tell me of all the problems and scams this company had potentially done.
    I have documentation and letters from them with the company logo and registration company number on that makes this look so legitimate.
    I am so pleased I have not sent the 290 gbp

  3. A Whittaker says:

    We’ve been scammed by both Club Class Holidays and by Key Property. I paid Key Property Euro320 and sent them all of the documentation that I had from CCH! Doh! Is it worth trying to get stuff back from them? Is there any redress?


  4. Maggie says:

    I too have been conned by Key properties Town Advisory. Paid them over 2,000 euros in 2008 to take our case to court with the guarantee that no more fees would be paid. Now we have been asked by R&R for 320 Euros for the “prosecutor” to attend court and “release” the original claim (which was a lot of money). Stuart James was very professional and said all the right things, but I still had warning bells. I will not be sending them 320 euros and if I am being honest kinda knew we would never see the value of our reclaim voucher whether legally or through the courts. So glad I found your website

  5. william says:

    I have also been contacted by A,Gill asking for E320 to cover court costs since Key Properties has joined with Ramirez & Ramirez.I paid Key Properties about £800 pounds some years ago.A.Gill is supposed to be calling me later today to discuss how to go forward as I have been told that his company has a lot of enemies in Spain and elsewhere I will let you know what he says.

    • Hi William,
      Thanks for your comment.
      Interesting to see that you paid Key Properties and now you are called by Ramirez and Ramirez.
      Maybe they can use the already paid £800 for the case they offer you now.
      Kind regards
      Customer Care

      • Bill says:

        Hi,Alberto I took your advice and received £1400 from my credit card company. I then contacted the ombusdman and I have now been made an offer to settle the matter for a further £5995 which I have accepted.
        Thank you for all your advice and keep up the good work.
        I am now going after Club Class and Kep properties.
        Any advice on this.

  6. Ken says:

    14-12-11 Had another phone call from Anthony Gill —-Ramirez&Ramirez asking me again if i was
    going ahead with courts,saying again i have to pay up front 320euros court costs for something
    called [approcalis] if i have spelt it right . I said to him,why can`t you pay this ? i have already shown good faith and paid 1136euros up front ,especially when you say there`s no risk you will get this money back , along with the 1136euros already paid in 2008. He laught at that , saying we have 1000`s of clients and would cost too much .[no risk eh , but i have to take it if i want to
    proceed] . I told him i was not going ahead and not paying 320euros ,he said could i fill in the
    refusal form and send it back !. What happens now i said ?, so no court case, and what is to
    happen with my 1136euros paid in good faith back in 2008 .His final comments were court costs
    and then hung up ! Has anyone else any comments , because Anthony Gill says there`s 1000`s
    of clients out there

    • Hi Ken,
      Thanks for your comment.
      Good for you, telling them they could use the money paid a couple of years ago!
      Let see if we can help at least to claim that money back.
      1000’s of clients of what? Happy with Ramirez?
      Kind regards
      Csutomer Care

    • keith says:

      I too was contacted by a John Francis today saying exactly the same thing, I refuse to pay out another penny to these scammers, again he said the same thing, no money no court case. Hopefully we will all claim our monies back from these parasites sooner or later, exactly how much more money are these people leeching of innocent victims, I have learnt the hard way and if I lose my money I have already spent out- so be it, but I will rejoice when this company gets their backsides kicked into touch.

  7. roy b says:

    I have been approached by R & R asking for upfront payment of 1,485 euros for legal fees I to was taken in untill I found this site and will not be paying any money out to them. I will be forwarding all my correspondance to this site.

  8. Yesterday we were called by Anthony Gill from Ramirez & Ramirez. He told us that this legal firm brought a successful first case against Club Class Holidays, Reclaim and Translanz Vacation S.L.and that our case has now been passed to Lawyers designated by the company for this “Denuncia” to be lodged with the National Police in Lanzarote. (Some years ago we were interesed in taking part in a class action against CCH but never paid any money). He wanted all
    sorts of documents and of course the usual up front fee of 320 Euro. I said we were not interested but he sent us 5 pages of info to read over the weekend!! He did include a “Letter of Refusal” which he said we should sign and return if we do not want to go along with others. What do you think?

    • David L says:

      Ignore everything these pepole say. A letter of refusal? Refusing what? Any claim that you have to outstanding monies – its just another cynical ploy to make you think you arepotentailly missing out on something.

      • Thanks David for your reply. I am so glad I posted about our dilema on this blog. I was going to send the ‘Letter of Refusal’ back today but was waiting for help and inspiration which you have kindly provided me with.Thanks again Maria

    • Ken says:

      I had a call from Anthony Gill–Ramirez&Ramirez telling me the same thing 8-12-11,he rang again 12-12-11 asking me if i wanted to go ahead, i said i had not looked over all the info yet ! He said can i ring you wed 14-12-11.
      Thanks for the info, another con !
      I have already been conned by KPTA in 2008 1,136euros up front for legal fee`s.
      anybody got anymore comments ?

      • Dear Ken,
        Thanks for your comment.
        We will send you some interesting information by email about these 2 companies and let’s see if we can help to recover those 1136€ you paid in 2008.
        Kind regards
        Customer Care

  9. Lynn says:

    We too have been approached by Ramizez & Ramirez. We thought at first maybe they were genuine until of course the request came for ” Court fees, notary fees etc etc” Now we have found this site how glad I am that we were suspicious! We will just have to live with the fact that we were scammed by Incentive Leisure group along with thousands of others. It is disgraceful that these people are allowed to try to prey on innocent parties who have already parted with a lot of money.

  10. mary says:

    I would like to know how to stop all the endless phone calls. I’m getting a bit fed up now as I work and my husband is at home. Every week he tells me of a call to either buy my timeshare, take legal action etc. and he says “this one sounds genuine”. Is there any way of getting our details removed from these mailing lists?

  11. Mary Dearth says:

    Had a call from a very pleasant Geordie gentleman from R&R who has now emailed me pages of stuff about his company’s “successes” in retrieving money for victims. I told him about the endless calls from various companies offering to “buy” and requesting money. He said it’s because they want to get their hands on my paperwork so I have no evidence of any wrong doing. I was ready to send photocopies to him, but now will just do the usual – ignore him. I’ve been scammed and lost my timeshare property and realise I will never get anything back. Thanks for this website.

  12. chris johns says:

    weve recently had ramirez & ramirez approach us about getting our money back for an involvement in a discount holiday company called designer way vacation club / incentive leisure. seemed to be very professional & caring… asking us for all sorts of information but not as yet any money up front.
    having been scammed before we entered into with our eyes fully open & the wallet firmly closed.
    until we found this site we were prepared to go along with it, but having read the previous report we realise they are just “another bunch of leaches happy to prey on innocent unfortunates ”
    you would think that you could trust a firm of solicitors wouldn’t you !!!!!! many thanks for the warning.

  13. David Angus says:

    Just had Ramirez and Ramirez pestering us for info on the Timelinx scam. I’m way beyond this now. I have learned my lesson and trust hope that no one else suffers the same. If it seems too good to be true, then you’re right – don’t touch it.

  14. Ove Ydersten says:

    Am I scammed by KPTA (former Fuengirola Services) and now Ramirez & Ramirez “a kind of class action law firm” for time being, until next spanish legal law firm takes on?
    Is there no order at all?

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